test on chrome: problems with formatting on wordpress

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call for helpFor your information – the formatting HAS CHANGED since I first published this – you can see what the original looked like by scrolling down and stopping near the Harsh Reality logo!

this is a test to see what happens when I publish and then edit a page.  I have switched to chrome to see if it makes any difference.  The editing page that has opened is a basic one, without the facility for forms or polls, or other options which I may want to use. And again there is no way for me to change to the classic editing page that includes these facilities. The reason I am doing this is that for some strange reason, when I put a post up, that is carefully formatted to be readable, and then find I need to add something to it, as soon as I have updated it, when working in safari, it loses all the original formatting, and can end up being unreadable. The worst example of this is my post on the update to my post on the BIG BIN SWAP – which you will find here. This does not happen every time, but when it does, its almost impossible to get the original formatting back, and even when I add lines to space the text, they don’t get included in the finished published post. I have also had other problems with wordpress – for some weeks my comments on other people’s sites never appeared.

dr-seuss_be-who-you-are

please click on this cartoon – it will take you to my other site – “the spare”, where the last post I put up was also mangled! The post is an invitation for anyone from anywhere to join my networking page “your spare” and ADD your links!

At first I assumed that people didn’t check their comments very often, or that they didn’t ‘approve’ my comments for some reason, tho’ they were just friendly comments about the points of interest in their blogs.  Then it turned out that a lot of my comments had gone into people’s spam folders, and I am still getting “likes” from comments I left weeks ago – when someone has obviously come across them in their spam folder. I have just added the cartoon on the left.  When I first added it, it distorted the text block, but it has settled down, now I have tried putting it in the centre of the text, on the right of the text, and now where I originally placed it, on the left of the text. i just added the link to the site that is badly mangled above, and suddenly noticed that there is no option to change the size of the text or its colour on this editing page!  WHY/HOW??   THIS IS GETTING RIDICULOUS!    I was assuming the slimmed down edit page was perhaps for FREE sites, but I have paid for an update on this site! I am trying to think of other ways I can test whether the formatting is going to stay put.  I think I will publish this now, and then come back to it later to see what happens. ***************** Back a few minutes later – only to say that this post is not malicious in intent. The “Happiness Engineer” – yes that’s really what they call the support staff – suggested that I tried switching browsers so I could test out this problem, and she could have a look at it. Image 11 - Version 2It is not something I wanted to publish today, especially when the last post is a really interesting one with loads of lovely colourful quilts on it – so do please scroll down and have a look at it. I daren’t try and edit it for any reason, because it took me hours to put it together! Same thing happened when I inserted this picture, it did not immediately go where I intended it to! ************** edited the cartoon above to add a link to the image so that when you click it, it will take you to another mangled post – but the content is worth reading! as I said the problem doesn’t always occur, and if it does, its not always immediate – so I will keep coming back to see how stable this post is – but whether its because I’ve changed browsers, I don’t know.  Maybe my HE will be able to tell me, cos I can tell you, she hasn’t made me a HAPPY BUNNY yet – tho she is trying very hard to be helpful! ***************** Sorry folks – go and look at the quilts – smile!

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EARLY MORNING THE NEXT DAY: 25 MARCH 2015

Da -Da – IT HAS HAPPENED!

1375233632_Elvis-PresleyBut first – some light entertainment!  I fell asleep watching TV last night and woke up to this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04c3l7g/elvis-thats-alright-mama-60-years-on

A BBC4 rerun of a programme they made in August 2014 “Actor and musician Sam Palladio hosts a musical tribute to Elvis Presley, 60 years to the day from when he recorded his first single That’s All Right at Sun Studio in Memphis on 5 July 1954.”

I’m not a true Elvis fan, but the programme was fascinating, and I am a fan of our BBC, and if you click the link, you can watch this programme on their iPlayer – anywhere in the world!  FOR FREE

*******OK – back to the subject in question!

I left this post alone until this morning, and overnight I was convinced that this was a false test – because I am using Chrome for the first time – I had to download it specially for this exercise, and thanks for the prod – I like it! – and also, the default editing page that came up when I clicked the ‘pencil icon’ to write a new post is what I have now decided is “EDIT LITE”, AS IT HAS BEEN STRIPPED OF ALL BUT THE SIMPLEST ELEMENTS.

I was sure that any changes I made to it would not affect the formatting.

wrong

********The first thing I did this morning was amend the title of the post, because the original title : test on chrome, didn’t explain what it was about.  Then I also amended the caption on the Dr Seuss cartoon, cos I reckoned that as long as I was explaining the problems, I might as well see if any of you reading this would like to join my networking page on “my spare”.

When I woke up earlier, there were loads of comments awaiting moderation, and my stats have now passed 5,000 hits, so in adversity, there are some benefits – smile!

********I updated the post and – Da – Da – the original formatting has been lost and the text has been squashed up so that the spacing has gone and makes it far more difficult to read.

This won’t affect the bit that I am adding now, at least not until I go back to it once its published and do some more editing!

You can see the original spacing on Harsh Reality – because he was kind enough to re-blog my post yesterday – so thank you so much for that – it has been useful in adding readers to the post, but even more so in being able to show you all what the post looked like BEFORE!

HARSH REALITY

This is the link to the re-blog : http://aopinionatedman.com/2015/03/24/test-on-chrome/

You will note that the bit of the blog that shows on his site is the original formatting, but as soon as you click the link to see the ‘original’ – it takes you to this page, where the formatting has changed’

It would be useful if I could have put this bit in a different colour, to make it easier for you to see that it is a copy of the first bit of this post – but that’s ‘edit lite’ for you – the facility for that isn’t there!

as I can't add colour, I've used this to show you this is the copy of the original post formatting

as I can’t add colour, I’ve used this to show you this is the copy of the original post formatting

” this is a test to see what happens when I publish and then edit a page.  I have switched to chrome to see if it makes any difference.  The editing page that has opened is a basic one, without the facility for forms or polls, or other options which I may want to use.

And again there is no way for me to change to the classic editing page that includes these facilities.

The reason I am doing this is that for some strange reason, when I put a post up, that is carefully formatted to be readable, and then find I need to add something to it, as soon as I have updated it, when working in safari, it loses all the original formatting, and can end up being unreadable.

The worst example of this is my post on the update to my post on the BIG BIN SWAP

*************In the meantime – I have heard back from the “Happiness Engineers”, who initially thought I was making a fuss about nothing – and had more or less ‘palmed me off with platitudes’.  They did add some very helpful tips tho’ – which I am copying here for all of you who have the same problem.

*************”If you hover over your existing posts on the following page, then you’ll see a link to ‘Edit’ which will keep you in the classic editor: there was a link here to the admin part of my site – the page that shows you the list of your posts.

You can edit and make changes to any of your existing posts in the classic editor from there.

While on that page, you can click the ‘Add New’ link that appears next to the ‘Posts’ title. This will direct you to the following link for creating a new post in the classic editor: there was a link here to the post list and it is pointing out the Add New link at the top of that page.

I want to reassure you that the classic editor isn’t going anywhere anytime soon and you’ll be able to access it in WP Admin through the two links that I described above.

added just for fun!

added just for fun!

The pencil icon found in the black admin bar at the very top of the page as well as the in-page edit links on your site will direct to the new editor.

Our hope is to make the new editor so good that you won’t want to use the old one. 🙂 To do this, we really are listening to all feedback and appreciate the time you take to report back to us your experience with it.”

**************Well – lets take them at their word, when I have published this update, I will go back to them and tell them to have another look and this post – and to keep checking back to see the NEW COMMENTS that any readers of this feel like adding.

Comment-ImageBy the way, on both of my sites, ANYONE can leave a comment – you don’t have to be a wordpress user – you don’t have to fill in a form to be allowed to comment – you don’t have to worry that your comments won’t be accepted – because `i have chosen the option to moderate all comments, to make sure that spam comments don’t get thro’ – but unless your comment breaches the rules of normal courtesy – I will put it up on this site!  

I also don’t close the comments – so you can leave one any time –

look at the bit of admin at the bottom of this post, where you can click “like” or any of the other links to social media AND then click on the “x no COMMENTS” and it will take you to the comments section – scroll down to the bottom to find the box you can write in!  

ImageBy the way, I was going to underline this bit so it stood out – but there is no underline in ‘edit lite’ either!  I am very tempted to swear!

Now – please do me a favour and have a look at some of my posts about crafts – which is what julz crafts is supposed to be about!

In particular, please scroll down and have a look at the post I put up before this one

Where you can see Lori’s Favourite Quilt – which, by the way, is not the one shown here!

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    • I agree with you, I’ve got used to it and thought I knew what I was doing on it – well almost – smile. Having heard back rom “the Happiness Engineers” it seems that whilst it is still available, you have to have some tricks up your sleeve to find it nowdays – as most of the ways you are presented with the tools to write now and being stripped down “to make it simpler for you” B…..sh….t – I just feel there is something other than happy helpfulness behind all this!

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      • Definitely not simpler in my opinion and would be interested to hear from someone who thinks it is. So glad you posted these issues. I just scream in silence.

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        • I was being made to feel I was the only one, and they’d never had to deal with this kind of problem before – SO GLAD – to hear from you and anyone else too – please continue to add any details here, because at least we know someone will see them now!

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  2. One thing I’ve found while diddling with formatting (specifically trying to make images line up where you think they are) is that if you place them in the “Visual” editor – make sure to check justifications! – and get them roughly where you want and then click “post” from the HTML editor tab rather than the Visual one, it seems to be more likely to put it where you think it will, instead of all over the place; at least it does on my machine (primarily working from Chrome, but occasionally checking in Safari.) Remember to switch editors before clicking “update” if you go back and tweak a misbehaving page, too. (I borked my “Books” page twice while diddling the links before remembering this.) This applies relatively equally to images, horizontal lines, lists and forms (which sadly no longer have an easy “Click a button and presto!” insertion mechanic, but putting the code directly into the HTML editor is easy enough and still works, or if you’re self-hosted, there’s roughly 8 million widgets that’ll do the job for you.)

    So far as disappearing whitespace, WordPress tends to strip out what it deems as “extra” spacing; it’s primarily to ensure that things have a uniform look regardless of the device or browser the viewer’s using. Of course, when spacing is important and you want elements where you want them as opposed to HTML’s “best guess on this device” mode, that’s not very helpful. If it’s primarily text, your best option is to use the “preformatted” text type, which will at least keep some of your whitespace the way you want it. Or you can use character codes and line return tags in the HTML editor to force the issue, just as long as you remember to hit Post/Update from that screen rather than the main editor. (This seems to circumvent the stripping process, though editing it in Visual mode will strip ’em back out and force you to add them manually again.)

    Hope some of that was helpful.

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  3. About the posting and format changing. I think that’s a wordpress glitch. I format, on Jarte ( like wordpad, only better ) and after I transfer to the editor, I have to manually re do all of the spacing, and half of the layout. It would probably save time to just put it in the editor, and then lay it out the way you want. Great place here BTW. Thanks for the fine post too.

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    • thanks for your input – I’m beginning to realise that this has been a long term problem for a lot of people – blogging is about communicating, and that, at least, should be what wordpress should be making easy for people, not a formatting chore!

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    • I have updated the post and the formatting did change! I also added some more info – so please come back and have another look!

      I also understand that one of the HE’s has got in contact with you after seeing your comment, so I hope she manages to help you sort this out!

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  4. it all looks good to me as a reader but there’s nothing worse than formatting a blog post only to try to edit it and lose all your spacing and picture placements. Hopefully it’s just a technical issue that’s happened due to some reformatting of the site and it will be fixed? I’m not a tech-person at all! :S I think there’s issues with the commenting and views as well (from what I’ve seen around on people’s blogs) so someone in WordPress is having a hard time of it at the moment. Don’t envy their job!

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  5. It removes all my soft and hard returns and so all the areas where there is media, a thin line break, numbered indents, bulleted indents, they are all on top of each other after an edit.

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  6. I have the same issue. It’s mostly tabs and spacing for me. One little edit and it all goes to ish! Tested on iPhone, iPad, FireFox and Safari. Using 2 Macs. Using both the old and new writing spaces. Theme is Adele though I had this problem with the last 2 themes I used too.

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  7. Editing a published post always makes me slightly nervous. I have lost parts of posts in the edit, also entire posts. Here’s what I have found: I always go to edit through the EDIT link in the post itself, and make the changes, then SAVE the edited version, then UPDATE. Another thing, the changes don’t really show up right on the editing page, I find I need to go to the PREVIEW to see what it actually looks like on the published blog.

    I lost a big chunk out of one of my posts one time…which effectively removed the point of the thing. No one mentioned that the story didn’t make sense.

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    • thanks so much for your input – the only thing is that Lori’s Quilt page IS FINE – and yes I took a lot of time and care to make it look good – there is one tiny line that has not gone in the right place only, so I didn’t bother to try and change it, knowing what has been happening when I do – its the one before that – The new bins cost; £475,916.20 – that has got mangled, and I’m sure if you look at it you will see it immediately!

      Your routine for editing is the one I follow myself, so its nothing to do with the way I edit my posts I’m afraid – however, its good to have your feedback!

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  8. Hi Julz…I have been looking over your site, and it looks great to me. The page with Lori’s Favorite Quilts is beautiful, everything aligned and formatted…as much as I can tell. I am wondering if the problem is in the viewing. I use Internet Explorer (not perfect, too slow) or Firefox. Not saying anything is wrong with chrome or safari… MAYBE the rendering of the site is fine…and it just isn’t showing up when YOU look at it.

    What WordPress theme are you using? It is nice, but I can’t find the WP identification on it.

    As for the HEs…. I finally figured out what that means :-), I’m kinda slow. Don’t forget, the bloggers that contact the Happiness Engineers for help when their blogs mess up are Not Happy. Another thing that occurs to me is that it is hard to duplicate an exact situation– like when I look at your site and it is just lovely and professional looking, but when you look at it it is messed up.

    The formatting of any piece has always been challenging…even in the olden days of typewriters, the logistics of getting something nicely formatted are maddening.

    Hope this helps in some way…

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    • after I’ve posted them, and then need to go and add something or correct something, so I am re-editing them. at least that’s what I think it is, i’m not even sure. i do know that for months I have had the same problem, but before I did blogging101, I just thought I was making some silly mistake!

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